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"Quality is better than quantity. Everything should be included on this wiki, but not everything needs a dedicated article."
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About Me

I own SR1 on xbox, and SR2 and SR3 on both Xbox and PC. I only have first-hand experience playing single-player SR1 and SR2 on Xbox 360. I only bought the PC versions to extract the data files.
I am an inclusionist and a completist. I believe that every verifiable fact about the Saints Row Universe should be documented on this wiki. However, just because it exists in the game doesn't mean it needs a dedicated article.
For example, Sports Rims are something which exist in the game, and are available on all cars. But we do not need an article dedicated to Sports Rims, they are mentioned on the Mechanic page.
I may not do things the same way as others. I do things because they make sense, and can justify everything I do with logical reasoning.
I welcome people with alternate opinions, so long as those opinions are backed up by genuine reasons. Saying "X wiki does it this way" is not a reason to do something, without explaining why X wiki does it that way.
Nothing should ever be done without a reason. If I do not understand something, I will ask about it. Anyone who blindly accepts the way something is done without questioning whether it makes sense is stupid.
When I joined this wiki, I started fixing things that were broken: Broken redirects, orphaned and dead-end pages, pages without categories and many many speeling mistakes.
After just one week, I had over 500 edits: just from fixing stuff that other people messed up.
So what have you done recently? Dive right in and help improve this wiki!
There are many things you can do to help. If you don't know where to begin, see Saints Row Wiki:Wishlist, or feel free to ask on my talk page.

Special Pages

Everyone should use these pages. The number of articles listed in these lists should be as low as possible at all times.
  • Category:Active Talk Pages - Talk pages containing active discussions, issues or questions which require replies, opinions, and answers.

My SubPages

One thing that is woefully missing in fan-documentation of Saints Row are detailed lists.
For instance, according to the in-game stats page for SR2, there are 42 unlockable cars, but there is no list online of exactly which cars these are. And I've found one person claiming they have 54 unlocked cars.
Now, I know that these cars include "ronin gang cars", and "escort cars", but I'm saying that there is no "list of 42 cars" anywhere.
Note: I have now fully researched this and added a full list.
I've extracted the game scripts, and will making lists using these, as well as listing things while exploring the game
Once the data from these pages has been used in appropriate articles, the data will be removed from my subpages.
Some raw data has, and will, be moved to talk pages for in case it is needed for later verification.

My Editorial Stance

Preview

  • Always Preview. Even if it's a small change, because you may notice another small change immediately afterwards
  • Using Preview also helps make sure that all wikilinks are linked correctly. Redlinks are bad, and probably means you mispelled something.
Unfortunately, wikia has modified the preview system to be less useful, the old preview system showed exactly what the page will look like, the new preview system is broken in multiple ways.
  • After editing, you can view the article history and look at the diff log of your edit to verify that you have not made any unintended changes.

Summary

  • Always enter an edit summary. Especially if it's only a small edit.
  • Admins, along with myself, use the edit summary to see if they need to give an article attention.
  • Using an edit summary can help others understand the reason for your edit.
    • For example, if you remove something from an article without using an edit summary, it is difficult to know if it is vandalism, or if you have personally researched that the information you have removed was incorrect. If you remove something without using and edit summary, it may be assumed that your edit was vandalism, and your edit reverted.
By the time I made 1633 edits to articles, I had used edit summaries on 1530 of them.

Stubs

  • More articles does not mean better wiki. The more articles there are, the less attention each one gets.
  • I believe that if stub pages cannot be expanded, then they should be merged into an associated article.
  • In 2010, there was a page for each Hitman target. Each of these pages was only 2 lines long.
Note: A poll was created regarding this, and my stance was agreed with by the majority of voters in the poll, so all Hitman targets pages have now been merged with the Hitman article.

Deletion

  • Pages should not be summarily deleted without a good reason.
  • When deleting an article, no information should ever be lost. All information should be merged onto other pages.
  • If a page is linked from other pages, then it has a reason to exist.
That said, creating blank pages is not acceptable. For instance, creating an article for a neighborhood which only says "X is a neighborhood" does not help anyone.

Redirects

  • While I agree with keeping some redirects, such as for alternate names for in-game entities and redirecting stub pages to subsections of larger pages, there seems to be no point in keeping redirects that only exist due to spelling mistakes.
    • Example: Redirect pages such as Combine exist because the Kent is sometimes called "Combine" in the game. Redirect pages for Combine and other alternate names need to exist so that when people search for "Combine", they are taken to the correct page. When editing pages about sections of the game that refer to alternate names specifically, for example, the Chop Shop page which calls it the Combine, I use the word "Combine" and link the word Combine to avoid confusion.
  • Example: The Saints Row District redirect should remain, due to the ambiguity of the correct spelling, and exactly what it means.
  • Some redirects only exist because someone made a typo. Typos should be corrected, and so spelling mistake redirects should be deleted.

Question & Explain

  • Because a wiki is a collaboration, it is very important to work with others, rather than against them, and it is important to remember that we're all here for the same reason.
  • If someone disagrees with you, the first thing you should do is fully explain your position. Do not attack the person's edits, everyone is trying to do the right thing, but some people may come to different conclusions based on different facts.
  • If you make an edit that you feel others may disagree with, use the talk page to explain what you have done, and why you have done it. That way, people will see that your idea is a good idea, and that you are not just making meaningless edits.
  • Conversely, if you see something that you do not understand, check which user added that information, and either leave a message on the article talk page, or on the user's talk page asking what their reasoning is and explaining your opinions.

Blocks

  • Banning someone is a last resort. Most vandals edit once, laugh, and go away. Reverting their edits is usually enough, only recurring vandals should be banned.
    Note: It is now standard policy to issue a short block for all first time anon vandals so that they are recorded in the block log so that repeat offenders can more easily be identified.
  • Assuming good faith means that all users should be given a chance to explain their actions.
  • In most cases, if a user breaks something while editing, I simply fix their mistake.
  • If they do the same thing twice, I will leave them a message explaining what they have done, and ask them not to repeat doing it in future.
  • If a user continually does something wrong, I will ask them to explain why they are doing it.
  • If a user ignores all attempts at communication, I will give them a 1-3 day block and a message is left on their talk page explaining the block and asking them to explain their actions.
  • If they do not respond, and repeat their behaviour once the block expires, they will be blocked again for a greater length of time.
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