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Do not post complaints about the Timeline article "not making sense".

As it says at the top of the Timeline article: it does not have to make sense.

The Timeline article simply documents all dates and timespans mentioned in the game.

We do not care about "canon" here.

Greek ruins[]

Also, there are multiple references to the Greek god Poseidon, if the ruins were Roman, it would probably be Neptune's Casino ;) -452 18:24, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

I probably should also mention that they are obviously Greek ruins, because the secret areas named "Parthenon Ruins". The Parthenon is greek, and the ruins in Stilwater look very similar. When people talk about Roman ruins, they're usually thinking of the Roman Forum, which looks nothing like the Parthenon. -452 18:34, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Ugh I have no idea why he deleted it, atleast what you said about the greek god backs up that it is greek. I wonder what actually went down in stilwater, around it is greek buildings that are under water, is it possible that small islands sunk into the water (I'm not saying ocean since its more like a big lake) during an earth quake. -User:Alz-da-dog 18:36, March 22, 2011
I think they creators probably didn't really think too hard about what it meant for obviously Greek ruins to be present in a city in the USA, I think they just did it because it looks cool ;)
Btw, you can respond on the timeline talk page, I get email notifications on pages I've left a message. It's easier that way :) -452 18:44, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
The parathenon (I think I spelled that wrong :-( ) ruins can be found in Amberbrook, and the Parathenon was a greek marvel. It is only logical that the other ruins are greek archiecture, as they also follow similar appearance to such. Buy Jove is also a greek store. -Spedster777 17:37, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
User:Alz-da-dog was responding to Talk:Timeline, where I mentioned and linked to the Parthenon. (and this is exactly why I don't like conversations being spread over multiple pages) -452 17:40, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
(Moved conversation from my talk page to here)
Also, the sign near the ruins says "eromenos museum", according to those google results, eromenos is a Greek word. -452 01:27, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
The Greek Ruins are obviously a commercial ploy by Stillwater to draw in tourists. The Greeks were completely ill-equipped to attempt to navigate the Atlantic Ocean. Also the 'ruins' were built on top of a freakin near impossible to ascend hill. This and the fact that the area where the ruins are located is perfectly geometric indicate that this are was created to serve as a harbor, that sort of project indicates that it is at least 19th or 20th century, certainly not a 13th century Greek colony that somehow wandered onto a new continent. --KotorGirl 07:50, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
It's important to remember that this is just a video game, and the seaworthiness of the Ancient Greeks doesn't really matter, as the game is not supposed to be historically accurate.
The thing about "ancient" ruins is that the landscape can change. Assuming the ruins are authentic, the hill has probably been eroded over time. You do have a point that the whole area is a tourist trap, so it's entirely possible that it is all fake, especially considering that that area doesn't exist in Saints Row. However, that doesn't explain the half-submerged ruins, or the ruins on the secret island.
I doubt Volition intended it to be examined in such great detail. In any case, it doesn't matter to the plot of the game, so it doesn't really need to be mentioned the timeline article. -452 03:36, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Sources[]

I think it might be a good idea to include references for the dates, since there are multiple conflicting sources (and for years people have been unclear about dates on this wiki) -452 18:24, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

2008 billboard[]

Saints Row 2: "Dharphilinx Theatre" in Sunsinger, Billboard for upcoming "Planet of the TJs", says it comes out on 6-07-08 (2008-06-07). The theatre appears to be open, so there is no reason for an old billboard to be present unless the game takes place prior to this.

The Billboard for "Guy" in Filmore SE from (king plaza station) says it comes out 2-14-09 (2009-02-14). Again, new looking billboard in the Downtown District isn't going to be out of date.

Also, all calendars in the game are set to August or September. Meaning it's probably September in the game and some people haven't changed their calendars yet.

According to the in-game evidence, Saints Row 2 either takes place in September of 2007 or 2008 (Maybe the Dharphilinx billboard is a little out of date) -452 14:46, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

User:NT92 has pointed out that multiple unlock screens mentioned that it is 2008. I have the images extracted, so I've gone through all of them and these are the references i have found:
  • All Boost magazines says Check out our list of the "Best Rim jobs of 2008!"
  • "Body Bags" magazine shown when the Samedi fighting style is unlocked says 2008's Best and worst dressed brawlers (Also on the Brotherhood fighting style screen)
  • The Boost magazine for the General's bulldog has a mailing label address to Johnny Gat and says it is the Aug08 issue. (Same with the Ronin vehicles, Kaneda, medical helicopter, Bear, The Duke, Toad, Firetruck, Pheonix, Mongoose, Kent, eiswolf)
  • The Stilwater Surplus magazine shown when the GAL 43 is unlocked says What's hot for 2008 and Gun of the Month Calendar 2008 (That this magazine is tattered, indicating it is an old issue.) (Similar for the Annihilator, Flamethrower, Kobra, Pimp Cane, Grenades, AR-50 w/Grenade Launcher, Shock Paddles, chainsaw, pepper spray, minigun)
  • The Couture magazine also has Gat's address and the Aug08 date. (Seen on Cowboy Hat, Pimp hat, fireman outfit, )
So it is definitely set in either Aug or Sept 2008. As I said earlier, some calendars say Sept, so I believe it is early Sept and some people haven't changed their calendars yet. -452 18:14, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
The fact could be that the calenders in the game have nothing to do with the in game timeline, but to do with developer timeline as September 2008 was probably when Volition fully developed the game ready for an October 2008 release, also in the game if you look at the clocks you will notice that the time is always 8.22
In GTA San Andreaas the Advertisement for the Loc Down clothing range has the slogan "Gangsta since 2002", but the game is set in 1992, the date in the advertisement is probaply an indication to when Rockstar North began developing GTA San Andreas, giving credence that in game calenders and dates on billboards mean nothing to the in game timelines in videogames, but to the development of videogames (unsigned: 2.125.65.168, 11:47, June 20, 2011)
If you would like to get Volition to make an official statement to that effect, then we can put this matter to rest. -452 11:11, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

Calendars[]

These are all the calendars I have found.-452 17:39, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

I've added a fourth image. Apparently Chief Monroe - who you kill in Saints Row - died in 2008. So it would appear there is evidence that both Saints Row and Saints Row 2 took place in 2008. :/ -452 06:38, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
Oh, I noticed this in 2011. -452 20:51, 7 June 2013
The second calendar is in the lobby of Anthony's condo, and it is the 2006 calendar as the 1st is on a Friday. ~ 452 (talk) 00:59, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

2003-2008[]

I have read the guides and manuals for both Saints Row and Saints Row 2. Saints Row was dated in 2003 and Saints Row 2 was dated in 2008. In Saints Row 2, it was stated that the protagonist has been in a coma for 5 years after Saints Row 1. The year could be found on calendars and businesses and it was found on a van the protagonist drives in a mission. The developers even have said that Saints Row 2 would take place 5 years after. McManus 2010 was a coincidence. (unsigned: 76.103.135.189, 05:47, June 13, 2011)

If you had read both manuals you would have noticed that Troy Bradshaw's article on being undercover is dated Sunday September 3 2006 in the manual for the first game and in the article he is still undercover (unsigned: 2.125.65.168, 11:47, June 20, 2011)
Please lose the attitude, and please sign your comments with ~~~~
I have read both manuals, I must have missed that part, thanks for pointing it out. Feel free to scan that and upload it here. -452 11:11, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
No need to scan it after all, it's a free download from xbox.com, so Here it is
The first newspaper clipping, about Aisha's new single, is dated Feb 2006, and the interview with Troy is dated Sept 2006, as you said. -452 09:06, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

Period between games[]

So is it ever explicitly said in Saints Row 2 that five years have passed, since it looks like only around two years have passed (even if the evidence is at times a little sketchy). – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 16:04, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

I seem to remember hearing 5 years, but I just found something interesting.
JULIUS_CHURCH_VO_06: "... After painstaking and exacting restoration efforts spanning two years, Ultor is proud to open these church doors once again." - this audio file is uploaded on the Saints Row Church page too.
Makes sense, Gat would have had to have been arrested before Ultor started. Every other reference in the game files say "years ago", so now I'm really not sure. -452 19:42, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
So it definitely "years" that have passed, just no indication that there's five, then? – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 12:28, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
Definitely at least 2 years. --452 07:08, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

game texts[]

Other game texts containing the word "years"

  • "HELP_TEXT_SAINTS": "Once the kings of the city, the Saints have been forced out of their home of Saints Row by the Ultor Corporation: a giant conglomerate that gentrified the once poor neighborhood. Now operating out of an abandoned hotel, the Saints are looking to reclaim the glory that they lost several years ago.
  • "BFPLAYER_TSSP2_EXCHANGE_02": "How long were you in jail anyway?
  • "GAT_TSSP2_EXCHANGE_03": "Two years and 31 days.
--452 21:14, October 21, 2011 (UTC)
Well, I suppose that's something. – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 12:22, October 22, 2011 (UTC)
Everything i can find via Google, from press releases on news sites to professional critics, says 5 years. It must have been in something official. Ah, here we go, the THQ store page says, "Five years have passed since your former Saints crew betrayed you. As you awake from a coma for the first time since that fateful day, you find the Stilwater you once ruled is in disarray."
Although, you've got this pre-release interview that says it's about 20 years. :) 184.158.73.8 20:40, October 22, 2011 (UTC)
Those are some nice finds. I think 20 years is a little too much though. I still think some in-game confirmation would be best. – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 20:59, October 22, 2011 (UTC)
Two archived versions of the same page:
This is the best official source still accessible, because fuck age gates. 452 18:01, October 27, 2019 (UTC)

2003[]

An anon user has added this to the Saints Penthouse article: "A Friendly Fire calender in the kitchen shows the date March, 2003"
This really needs to be verified. --452 22:10, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Just got round to checking and yes, it's true.Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 13:04, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
Excellent, thanks. --452 06:42, December 13, 2011 (UTC)
I just found the image in the data files and came here to add it myself, haha.
What I didn't really think about earlier was... that's current-Shaundi's ass. on a calendar from 2003. --452 15:35, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
She has a nice ass. – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 22:02, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
A timeline defying ass. But do you think it's a canonical ass? --452 23:50, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

What?[]

How the hell could Ben King have formed the Vice Kings in the 1970s when the events of the first Saints Row took place in 2006? What kind of twisted timing is being used there? ASCOTTYJ 04:50, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

This article is in seriously need of an overhaul, but yeah, the Vice Kings (and Los Carnales) were formed long before the events of Saints Row. I'm not sure if it's ever said to be in the 1970s though. – Moozipan Cheese(talk page) 12:22, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Gat's arrest[]

If you pay attention during the first mid-mission cutscene in Appointed Defender, Jane states that Gat was arrested "last year". Later in the same mission, after rescuing Gat, he states that he was in jail for ""Two years and 31 days". If you can count, you'll notice that it's impossible for both Jane's and Johnny's statements to be right. --452 07:07, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

Illogical obituaries[]

Volition are messing with us: they have a new obituaries pages as part of their SRIV propaganda. It has the birth and death years of several characters, something which they've never done before.
There's just one problem with that. They claim that Carlos died in 2007, Lin died in 2008 and Aisha died in 2009.
That's not reconcilable in any way, with any kind of twisted logic, so I say that we completely ignore it. -452 06:24, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

And since people are already starting to quote it, it's going to have be become an official policy. -452 16:02, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
And if anyone disagrees, they should say so. -452 23:22, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
Now that is wierd. But they have done 1 thing right with dates it shows in the Sanits Wing that SRIV happens at least 5 years after The Third (unsigned: El Ieuan 23:32, 15 June 2013)
Considering it's been put out by Koch Media it would have to be considered official, least at this time unless they correct it. I'll email my contact at DS Volition about it to see if it can be corrected. Zadidoll (talk) 23:41, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
Promotional material can rarely be trusted, no matter how "official" it is, as it's usually done by a PR team, rather than the writers.
  • The current website spells Saint's Row incorrectly when talking about the district, despite it being spelled with an apostrophe in both SR1 and SR2.
  • The "To The Penthouse" page says they crashed Phillipe's plane at the start of the game.
  • The promo website for Saints Row: The Third featured "interviews" with Johnny Gat, Zimos and others. The problem with that is that it's impossible for those two to have been interviewed at the same time.
  • There are quotes in the Prima guide for SRTT from developers which are simply wrong.
  • Even the manual cannot be trusted: In the Saints Row 2 manual, it says the Pickup button is the same as the Action button.
Anyway, back to the matter at hand. Even if we were to make an "ignore those dates" policy, people are still going to try to add them to articles, so I say we leave it saying "the website says these dates" along with a note that those dates are impossible. -452 01:01, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
It also says somewhere that Gat allowed Pirce to escape the the Plane. Anyway good idea those death dates are 100% impossible El Ieuan (talk) 01:18, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

User:NathanJohnson just mentioned to me in the Chat that the dates, both birth and death, have been removed from the website. I hope someone got fired. -452 17:42, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Did anyone save either the pages or screenshots of the obituaries? I wasn't expecting them to actually fix the problem. I guess this means it WAS a mistake, and they WEREN'T deliberately poking fun at continuity. -452 13:30, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
User:Zadidoll did.
-452 12:25, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Zero Saints Thirty[]

There is no known point of reference to when Zero Saints Thirty takes places relative to Three Way. It obviously doesn't take place "immediately" afterwards, as enough time must have passed for Cyrus to leave the US and set up his own terrorist group, as well as enough time for Miller to join MI6. When Volition staff were asked about this, they could not answer the question with any certainty. 452 (talk) 22:23, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

The preceding statement is still true. Additionally, there is no point of reference as to how long Playa had been president. The end of Zero Saints Thirty indicates that the Presidency was "unlocked" immediately, therefore he had been president for 5 years by the time of The Saints Wing. Real life projected election years are irrelevant, since the former president may have been impeached early for authorising STAG -452 (talk) 16:46, July 7, 2014 (UTC) (edit: 16:48, July 7, 2014 (UTC))
The events of recent years have led me to learn to that is not how US elections work: if a president is impeached, the Vice President takes over, election years are set in stone. What an absolutely ridiculous system. ~ 452 (talk) 16:38, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Complete mess[]

This whole timeline is a complete mess and everything is so out of order.  (unsigned: Cameronchadwickrogers - 2016-02-26 17:49:24)

Thanks for your comment, feel free to make improvements, and remember to sign your talk pages comments in future. -452 17:52, February 26, 2016 (UTC)
I have reviewed the page, and all items are listed by date. -452 18:01, February 26, 2016 (UTC)

Autumn 2006[]

I've removed the claim that the Saints Row manual states the date is Autumn 2006, as I cannot see Autumn mentioned at all. I've also added images references for all other facts based on the manual. If anyone locates the word "Autumn" in the manual, please let me know which page it is on. -452 18:34, February 26, 2016 (UTC)

Theory[]

hello everyone this is my first post & my theory i would like to try & prove

Saints Row takes place in 2006 ( newspaper clips show the date to be 2006 )

Saints Row 2 takes place in 2013 ( the SR2 mobile game says it starts 7 years after SR1 also the mcmanus 2010 is out so it happens at least after 2010 )

Saints Row The Third takes place in 2017 ( i assume 4 years just cause of how much stilwater & the saints have changed also the mcmanus 2015 so it at least happens after 2015 )

Saints Row IV takes place in 2023 ( i assume 2 years have passed due to cyrus being a full fledged terrorist & 4 years after he becomes president )

Saints Row Gat Out Of Hell takes place in 2024 due to how the saints saved christmas takes place during the christmas & this game takes place during kinzies bday so i assume it is a new year ) anyways i think this is the best most acurate timelne.

Poochie Williams (talk) 14:11, May 16, 2016 (UTC)Poochie Williams

This wiki is for facts, not theories. If you want to post theories, please do so on the fan fiction wiki. -452 19:34, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
I did back up most of my theory with facts, it's my first post stop being such an asshole I came here to discuss Saints Row & u just act like an asshole Poochie Williams (talk) 03:51, May 17, 2016 (UTC)
This is a talk page. Talk pages are used for discussing improvements to articles, not for name-calling. -452 03:55, May 17, 2016 (UTC)

Boy Toy[]

March 2000. 2000? Fucking what? 452 20:58, May 25, 2020 (UTC)

Sticky notice[]

Due to people refusing to read, the page description now remains visible when you scroll. And because the worst at reading are mobile users, the mobile version of the page now includes the page description after every heading.

I considered reformatting the entire page into a table, with the referenced information in the third column. Or simply just putting the references inline in each section. But why the fuck should that be necessary?

This article is THE most well-referenced article on the entire wiki. All people need to do is read the fucking references.

But I guess the notice about the article not having to make sense does work, as no-one mentioned that it made no sense for Genkibowl and the filming of Gangstas in Space to occur before the rest of the game.

People are more interested in complaining about things which have clear references rather than looking for things which actually don't make sense.

~ 452 (talk) 19:45, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Of course, technically, Genkibowl and the filming of Gangstas in Space could take place in any year. But there is no reason to think that it wouldn't happen soon after the game. ~ 452 (talk) 19:54, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
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